“Most people aren’t failing financially… they’re just flying blind.”
Daniel Rodgers spent 20 years running high-stakes programs at Microsoft and Google—where you don’t get to guess your way to success.
Then he took that same program management mindset and used it to build his own “escape plan” to financial freedom… and retired earlier than he planned.
This episode is for anyone who wants their time back—but doesn’t want to live on ramen, obsess over stock picks, or feel overwhelmed by “money math.”
Steve and Daniel cover:
🧭 The real reason financial freedom feels hard: you don’t have visibility, metrics, or a plan (and that creates anxiety)
🎮 How Daniel “gamified” retirement by treating it like a launch—complete with KPIs, forecasting, and checkpoints
🧠 The Ostrich Effect: why smart people avoid looking at finances (and how to break the cycle fast)
📊 The tool most people are really paying advisors for—and why Daniel gives his version away for free
💳 Debt vs. investing (the blunt truth): why you don’t “out-invest” high-interest debt—and what to do first instead
🧾 Why budgeting feels like punishment (and how to reframe it as an audit that buys you freedom)
🛍️ The 3 categories of spending—and how to cut costs without giving up what you actually love
🚪 The “unlocked prison door” moment: why people stay in jobs they hate—even after they’ve reached their number
🧪 The retirement “dry run” Daniel recommends before you quit (so you don’t panic, backpedal, or get bored)
If you’ve ever thought, “I make good money… why do I still feel trapped?”—this conversation will flip a switch.
👉 Learn more about Daniel’s book, podcast, and free toolkit at EscapeTheClock.com
