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Steve Werner: Welcome back to grow your impact income and influence the number one show helping you reach millions millions in your bank account, millions of people.

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Steve Werner: Following you online today, we are going to be talking about what is going on in your head.

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Steve Werner: I am joined by a hypnotherapist who does much more than mindset she’s from Russia, but she is a digital nomad she has lived all over the world lately she’s been living in Colorado one of my favorite places we’ll get into that a little bit later Tatiana how are you doing today.

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Tatiana Vilarea: i’m doing great, thank you for having me.

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Steve Werner: Of course, so Okay, I want to know where did you fall in love with hypnotherapy like where did this journey start for you, because it’s not like somebody just wakes up one day and it’s like i’m a hypnotherapist so you were traveling around the world, and you fell into a hypnotic cool.

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Tatiana Vilarea: That would be awesome but no, I came to hypnotherapy from the journey of rock bottoms on particularly with my health.

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Tatiana Vilarea: So I had an medical condition developing cancer at age 21 and after the surgery for that developing cancer I developed a medical injury.

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Tatiana Vilarea: On top of it right and I tried everything under the stars, and this is how I accidentally stepped into this pool of hypnotherapy now I had all the biases and all the traditional kind of like.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I I believe everything about hypnotherapy that it’s something the all the stigma that normally people do I was not looking to get into this world.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But the transformation, I have my health and it basically in one session rewired my.

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Tatiana Vilarea: neurology right for the medical injury and it never came back so after this huge transformation and there was another one with my back issues, since I that I had since I was like 12 or 13 years old.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I realized um it’s so hidden therapy is not just something with the mind and the subconscious mind is so much more and, of course.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Having experienced this transformation, I wanted to share, about it with the world and and share this approach to hypnotherapy, which is much more.

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Tatiana Vilarea: body based emotional healing based, and I would even say expansion of consciousness and self awareness based than the traditional stigma that we have that it’s just putting new suggestions into the mind and like into the mind and the subconscious mind.

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Steve Werner: Okay, so back up for a second how did you, because if you had biases like i’ve talked to people at hypnotherapy and they’re like oh that’s doesn’t work or they’re gonna make me cluck like a chicken like what made you try it.

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Steve Werner: Like were you walking down the street and you saw sign for it did, one of your friends go through it like how did you end up.

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Steve Werner: Like learn like being exposed to it, and then, what was the conversation in your head like that got you to try.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I was questions i’ve never been asked them great awesome thanks, so much so um I was not even thinking to use hypnotherapy to resolve my health issues.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I was going for him if you’re up for it, so I went for those sessions for completely different reasons.

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Tatiana Vilarea: So I was not like, there was no hope there was not there were no expectations, I went there for more of the emotional healing right into the sessions.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And what came out of it was the what I didn’t know that right that the hypnotic state.

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Tatiana Vilarea: is so much more and, particularly, one of the properties, is to rewire the new research country in your well everything internally in the body.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And, and this is how my medical injury and the back issues where we wired and understanding that I wanted to like specialize in it and I went on, and studied more of that type of hypnotherapy.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I started my business so to answer your question, I was not even expecting it, I was not, it was not something that I even had in mind that it would happen.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And this is one of the one of the proofs for me that it was not my mind hoping it was not the suggestions it was actually the.

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Tatiana Vilarea: healing emotionally that was behind the psychosomatic issues that I was experiencing, including that developing cancer having that bird’s eye view expanding consciousness and self awareness and, seeing as a bird’s eye view why I was having those issues and the releasing the body’s memory.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And it’s interesting because this is what I do right now with entrepreneurs and not a lot of people would see the connection, so I would love to talk about this connection.

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Steve Werner: cool I will get to that in just a second, I want to go through your journey just a little bit more um so how many sessions, did you go to for mindset before you got into bodywork and it was it was it because the hypnotherapist suggested it or was it because you naturally went there.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Well, I was not doing anything for the mind I went for the for the session and it literally in this experience it was a two hour experience, and this is when it happened.

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Steve Werner: And, was it, so I want to, I want to get to how you decided to use hypnotherapy at all, because most people, I know that are pretty resistant to it.

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Steve Werner: are resistant resistant resistant and then like they hit a place where they’re like well i’ve tried everything else I might as well try it was that your journey or was it something different.

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Tatiana Vilarea: yeah I tried everything I was desperate I was looking for solutions for many other things in my life because I ran away from home.

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Tatiana Vilarea: to escape the hell, that I was living in in my family and all the childhood trauma and whatnot at age 19 with $350 in my pocket came to New York out of whole places as you might imagine $350 did not last long in New York.

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Tatiana Vilarea: So yeah I was ready to try everything and anything, and it was just one of the things, but I can I did not expect the health transformation.

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Tatiana Vilarea: gotten well, I would say it.

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Tatiana Vilarea: was not the health transformation was the emotional healing that resulted, I was I wouldn’t be really clear that it was yes hypnosis rewires neural pathways.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But it was the emotional healing and understanding the bigger deeper reasons and lessons that created a shift I now believe that it’s impossible to shift something without a shift in consciousness.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And the shift in consciousness is a shift in paradigm of that we operate on it’s not a shift in mindset.

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Steve Werner: that’s awesome the.

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Steve Werner: I mean we’ll get a woman words for that more I would, I think argue that mindset and paradigm, are the same, but I would love to hear your thoughts on them so.

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Steve Werner: You decided to become a hypnotherapist what does one do when they’re like okay this works really well for me, where do you go learn about like How does that happen.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Well, to answer this question, I will have to explain why I went on, with the, so I will I started going for certifications and taking certifications.

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Tatiana Vilarea: and combining it all together, but this is not what created my modality, that I use right now, when everything that I do in my own, step by step process.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And the reason I have this process in what i’ve developed it’s not like I learned and methodology and I start using it, then this is that’s what I do.

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Tatiana Vilarea: When I started on this route, when I wanted to scream from the rooftops about the transformations in my life, I went on, and basically I started my business right.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I thought okay i’m going to transform the world that was motivated I had it all, I was driven and the next thing I know is I started bumping into all those, so what people would call mindset issues, but again I want to take it beyond mindset and entrepreneurial blocks.

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Tatiana Vilarea: With the business and entrepreneurship became the litmus test and that.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Self development journey that I was kind of always on but it became one of the main catalyst, I mean I thought before those relationships are the main catalyst of growth Now I know that entrepreneurship is the real deal I don’t know if you would agree or not.

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Steve Werner: Well, I mean it.

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Tatiana Vilarea: yeah.

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Steve Werner: I would say, entrepreneurship is it’s a huge test, I have a lot of thoughts around that like it will test everything about you right and it will also, it will also.

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Steve Werner: cause like you have to give up everything for it, if you want to be successful that’s it’s really interesting that’s a I mean that could be a topic in and of itself um.

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Steve Werner: The I feel like very few people are true entrepreneurs, because you have to you have to be able to juggle you have to be able to multitask you have to be able to take a huge amount of risk and feel comfortable with it.

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Steve Werner: And you also have to do, but you have to do like personal development, you have to learn all the business skill sets, you have to learn people skill sets um it’s definitely a lifestyle that I think it is, it is a great testing ground.

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Steve Werner: For yourself right and it’s, it is not for everyone, some people are much happier not being an entrepreneur, but for those of us who do it, and do it well, I think that the like doing anything else in our life is absurd right.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Absolutely, I would agree with you 100% and I would like to come back to this.

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Tatiana Vilarea: about why it’s not for.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Everybody a little bit like circle back later, you know.

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Steve Werner: yeah sure.

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Tatiana Vilarea: yeah so basically when I started encountering all the blocks and my biggest one was a fear of camera here public speaking.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I would literally have my vocal cords shut down, it was not just I was nervous or uncomfortable it was the paralysis vocal cords with close I will feel like dying fainting and disappearing from the face of earth kind of situations.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And as you might imagine it affected everything in my business because there is no way to build a business without visibility.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And if you have visibility is not just here of camera and it’s not just fear of public speaking, and this is why people get confused because there are a lot of people who do kind of push through the fear and do it.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But they’re still unconsciously afraid of being visible is so much deeper subject a lot of people with your visibility with hate marketing and sales.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Networking reaching out, so the red flags and people would usually use all sorts of strategies and learn all the tricks tricks and tools to.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Come compensate right, so I was doing all that I went from coach to coach to coach trying to shift my beliefs and my mindset around it.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I was told again and again just push through it it’s going to get better and it’s going to get better and it’s going to get better I got into $15,000 in debt, I was living in a basement apartment in winter with Italian neighbors above me.

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Steve Werner: And i’m super sensitive.

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Tatiana Vilarea: To smell and then noise and their dog barking 24 seven I was literally going insane.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And it was three years into my business it’s not like was I don’t know second day was three years into my business, I was still terrified of camera.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I would push myself every time, so what ended up happening, not only was I couldn’t move out of the department I didn’t have money I couldn’t prove income to move out.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Right, I had to pay off debt, I was desperate and, on top of it, I was living in.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Permanent stress and fear and that anticipation, every time I would try to push through fear, I will be living for another week or more in this anticipation, so I was burnout and constantly stressed.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I knew that this was not the way I wanted to run my business and do my life, it really affected my.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Confidence because, even though I was serving some clients, but inside and maybe you would agree with that inside, I felt what kind of hypnotherapist Am I.

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Tatiana Vilarea: right if I cannot resolve my own fear visibility and all these blocks, it was not serving the number of people, I wanted to serve, I was not.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Serving and making this impact and using my skills and even though I was creating change for the people I work with because we worked on different issues, internally, I felt like a fraud, I felt like an imposter and this yeah.

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Steve Werner: So I mean, I think, that is, I think that is great and it’s good to be self aware.

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Steve Werner: What did you do to start to shift it because that’s the like you started to feel all this pain and you’re like three years in i’m living in this basement apartment I feel horrible.

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Steve Werner: So, what was the action that you took like what was the moment that caused everything to start shifting for you did you work on yourself, did you go see another hypnotherapist like what happened.

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Tatiana Vilarea: So, while I was living in that apartment I hadn’t yet another attempt to work with somebody on that belief system and the mindset about showing up and being visible.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And all my defenses and when we push through all the defenses would activate.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I was so triggered I was so desperate and I knew that was not a solution, I realized, I had to either go back to a job and give up on everything.

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Tatiana Vilarea: or figure out what is it that i’m missing, and then a moment I had an Epiphany and my Epiphany was that i’m doing things wrong i’m trying to.

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Tatiana Vilarea: treat my fear in the body and state of paralysis that my body feels every time I am to be why I am visible with mind based approaches, but it is my body that holds the fear.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And from then on, I went to study trauma I went on to study what trauma does and how trauma is stored in the body and then you’re a circuitry neuro chemistry of the body.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And how trauma affects the psyche and using all the techniques i’ve learned in over 10 years disregarding everything that did not work and using the knowledge and the skills and developing my method to work and release body memory.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And to.

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Tatiana Vilarea: overcome this on the body level first.

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Steve Werner: So when you.

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Steve Werner: When you started doing that how long did it take from when you started to like when you felt comfortable in front of the camera and you could be visible again because I think that is.

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Steve Werner: talking to entrepreneurship or talking to people who run their own businesses if you’re not willing to be visible, it is one of the biggest i’ve seen this in clients that are just getting started.

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Steve Werner: 25 $30,000 a year, I have a client right now that does a couple million dollars a year.

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Steve Werner: And they have their biggest thing holding them back is that they don’t want to be visible, they want to hide behind Facebook ads.

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Steve Werner: And a funnel and like they don’t want to be visible they don’t want it like they’re scared to email people, because it would hurt them right they’re like Oh, what are people thinking about me Oh, people are going to have negative reaction.

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Steve Werner: And like it’s really handicapping their business, so this happens across a wide range of people, so I want to know how long it took for you, when you realize this, and you start working on how long did it take to fix.

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Steve Werner: or broke.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Before I get into this, and thank you for the questions I would say that absolutely I work, a lot of people think that the fear of visibility shows up at the beginning, when we start.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But I work with many people who have successful businesses to the level they could push through and reach without being visible but they’re still hiding in their business and when we actually resolve this.

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Tatiana Vilarea: that’s when they cannot scale up like you know level and then go to completely different levels, I absolutely agree with you, and the question about how long it took me well, I was my own guinea pig.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I took on all the knowledge that I was studying trauma internationally right and I was developing my tools, I because I figured nothing works for me I.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Like and I started doing what I now know, I do I know what I do best I started improvising and innovating creating the methodology, I have now.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But I would ask, so I would develop these tools to work with the body memory, but I would ask my well regular other type of hypnotherapy practitioners to put me in a hypnotic state.

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Tatiana Vilarea: to guide me through my blind spots because that’s one thing we cannot do for ourselves.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And to this day, I mean we all have blind spots, so I developed the methodology to work on the body and emotional healing and the body memory right to combine it all with the mindset and coaching.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But to develop these tools, I needed to work with people who would put me in the hypnotic state for me to use my tools.

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Tatiana Vilarea: To be able to do it to go deeper and also to notice and guide me to my blind spots So for me to go took a moment this This process was it took a while, but.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Having developed this process now as a methodology it shortens the time, and you know it basically creates a transformation because it’s not I always say that healing and transformation has structure and steps.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Because of how the body holds the memory, how the nervous system has to be not just balanced it’s a very popular term, these days, but actually reset and also work with the psyche because trauma creates whoops that are the some healed wounds right that we.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Carry unconsciously, and so the process takes steps, and we cannot skip them.

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Steve Werner: So when you work with somebody now how long do you normally work with them.

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Tatiana Vilarea: My program is four months, so I would say, of course, depending on the level.

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Tatiana Vilarea: it’s a jewelry type of work right it’s a one on one work, and I would say, so my main program is four months, four months to six months if if the person have never dealt with trauma and I want to be clear that trauma is not an event.

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Tatiana Vilarea: That happens to us so a lot of people under diagnosed, so they do not recognize but trauma is an experience a felt experience in the body, and this is why it’s recorded in the body.

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Tatiana Vilarea: So, going beyond to the mindset.

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Tatiana Vilarea: When we think we can just override the emotional wounding and trauma that are stored in the autonomic nervous system.

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Tatiana Vilarea: it’s the biggest myth ever if we could really override our autonomic autonomic nervous system, with the mind logic and reasoning, the levels of us that are not verbal the level of us there the run on autopilot and there is a system of how the trauma and the bonding.

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Tatiana Vilarea: have to be unlocked to be released, this is why entrepreneurs bump into these blocks over and over again, and they might be making millions, but still hiding in their business.

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Steve Werner: well.

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Steve Werner: outside of entrepreneurship, I know your main who you work with is entrepreneurs and everyone listening to this podcast are entrepreneurs as well, but I think this happens.

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Steve Werner: In normal life as well, you have a lot of people who like.

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Steve Werner: They start to have a little bit of success, whether it’s a job or whether it’s at their church, or whether it’s you know intramural sports or whatever they start to get a little bit of traction.

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Steve Werner: And they either self sabotage, or they shut down right they know what they need to do, but they can’t bring themselves to do it and it’s because a lot of times they have that negative voice from when they were eight or nine years old.

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Steve Werner: or some past trauma that’s protecting them right it’s the subconscious mind protecting.

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Steve Werner: The conscious mind, but it the conscious mind says, I want to do this and the subconscious mind says you’re going to get hurt and it it stops right, like you, and you can feel it you see a lot of people will have a physiological response in their body so.

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Steve Werner: i’m i’m fascinated by this whole thing I would love to hear is there in all the stuff that you studied.

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Steve Werner: In years of hypnotherapy is there anything that you hear people say that you just don’t agree with is there anything that you’re you’re like that’s that’s complete rubbish because there’s.

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Steve Werner: i’ve i’ve seen like hypnotherapy i’ve seen like self hypnosis hypnosis courses i’ve seen you know the group hypnotic things i’ve seen our TT like I think there’s a lot of different stuff out there, what are your thoughts on all of that.

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Tatiana Vilarea: My thoughts I mean in my main contribution that i’m trying to make, and I want to teach the modality I created to all the practitioners, for this reason.

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Tatiana Vilarea: To bring in my two cents, but also disagree and take it further, because I believe all those approaches that you just listed conventional their mind based.

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Tatiana Vilarea: They came from this patriarchal structure developed by men who were historically disconnected from their emotions and bodies.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And so they believe that they created the medical system and the education system and all our systems, this is why we believe.

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Tatiana Vilarea: That the mind is primary in the process right so in order to transform something and change something that we need to address the mind, and so my biggest disagreement is, I believe that when we address.

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Tatiana Vilarea: The body memory, the emotion, when we do the emotional healing and I do it all together holistically right now right, but when we address.

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Tatiana Vilarea: That sabotage it’s not just the voice in the head the whole nervous system, especially from childhood trauma transgenerational trauma we don’t even know that people who went through the trauma.

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Tatiana Vilarea: There are so many layers to it, but, in other words it’s not just the voice it’s not just the subconscious mind, because if it was hypnotherapy like mine base suggestive hypnosis.

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Tatiana Vilarea: therapy would have worked 100% of the time what it is, is it’s the our entire system neurologically anywhere chemically we are addicted to the emotions that we run.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And without them locking the body, we will continue to bump into the sabotaging block and sabotage our dreams and our goals, be.

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Tatiana Vilarea: feeling like an imposter or having visibility fears or money issues money issues have so much bigger than mindset.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Most of them in one way or another, will connect to some level of trauma instead of on safety.

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Tatiana Vilarea: So that state of on safety that with here within the body which is not overrun it with the mind, but when we release that state of on safety and fear in the body.

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Tatiana Vilarea: The trauma in your relationship emotional ones, the mindset and therefore all the beliefs and all the actions.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Change organically, and naturally without trying to change it from the oh I just need to think positively, but how but I need to think differently, but how.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But if you release the body if we work on the from the bottom up the mindset and therefore the actions you know business or life because of luck it’s applicable to every area of our life change organically, and naturally.

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Steve Werner: that’s awesome I mean, I agree with that, I think it is like.

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Steve Werner: I.

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Steve Werner: It is more than just changing your thoughts, you have to rewire everything.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Because we know we are holistic beings.

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Steve Werner: The I think it’s interesting the thought about men versus women, women definitely experienced things more in their body than men do um I think that’s an interesting thought I have not heard of before.

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Steve Werner: The the hypnotherapy sessions, that I have been through have mostly been mine based there were i’m trying to remember, because I worked with three different people there was one that was a little bit more body based.

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Steve Werner: um it was interesting is an interesting thought so if people wanted to learn more about what you do, do you have something for them, do you have a PDF do you have recession, what, how do you How do people get started working with you.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And while i’m doing nicotiana lauria on Facebook and Google my website is Tatiana blurred calm.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And for anyone interested to learn more about why the traditional conventional methods don’t work and deepen into the subject.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I have a masterclass series, and you anyone can find them at Tatiana gallery COM forward slash transformation and it’s a three video series on these topics and how to actually recognize.

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Tatiana Vilarea: The emotional wounds and trauma that show up in our business What are those red flags why things don’t work what needs to be done, and also the third video is on the connection between our early life experiences in childhood experiences and later in life financial issues.

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Steve Werner: awesome, what do you let’s talk about that a little bit the we’re going to link all of these in the show notes as well, so if you want the free masterclass series three videos look in the show notes is linked down there, how do you see childhood traumas connecting to money blocks later.

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Tatiana Vilarea: there’s so many levels and layers to it, but in simplicity, with filter.

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Tatiana Vilarea: We perceive ourselves as safe as worthy as lovable and therefore able to receive abundance beats attracting clients or money through the filter of how our early life relationships were and a lot of people live in this war within them, that is connected to their mother and father.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And the negative attachment styles, but it’s so much more because again it’s nervous system based it’s so much more than just connections, so a lot of people with.

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Tatiana Vilarea: financial issues will have some level of either childhood with family with transgenerational trauma, so we see that the relationship wind or some type of trauma in either of their life or transgenerational that locks in fear and state of uncertainty in the body.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And for many people who consciously think want money their bodies and nervous systems are freaking out because wealth and visibility and showing up as experts is equal to.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And then fill in the blanks it’s something that’s a perceived level of danger and unless this is a move unlocked.

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Tatiana Vilarea: We think we want the recognition, we think we want money we think we want more clients, but we are unconsciously repelling it because, for our bodies and unconscious minds, of course, yes, it feels not safe.

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Steve Werner: interesting.

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Steve Werner: Alright, so we are linking to your masterclass down below.

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Steve Werner: People have access to that if people have any thoughts around this, you should definitely reach out um what is the best place is it Facebook, is that the best place to find you.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Your Facebook and.

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Tatiana Vilarea: If anyone who wants to explore their blocks, they can also get on my calendar it’s kellingley COM forward slash potty animal around and.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I can answer any questions as well.

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Steve Werner: Okay, we will link all of that stuff down below we didn’t even get to talk about being a digital nomad or traveling all over the place, but you said you really like Denver, so I do Nice, the mountains are always fun.

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Steve Werner: Do you have anything in closing if somebody is like I don’t know if hypnotherapy is, for me, do you have anything to say to that person.

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Steve Werner: Because you ran from it for a long time you’re like that’s that’s not going to work, but you did, and now you’re you’re a huge proponent of it, so what would you say to somebody that is like i’m not sure if it’s for me.

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Tatiana Vilarea: When well the.

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Tatiana Vilarea: realization that hypnotherapy so much, then so much more than just suggesting some new thoughts into the mindset into the subconscious.

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Tatiana Vilarea: I believe it’s helpful realizing the hypnotherapy can use it can be used for emotional healing for that body release right and just to answer these the the stigma right that exists.

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Tatiana Vilarea: That hypnosis mine is mind control well if it was mind control I would be a billionaire by now, and every other hypnotherapist would be as well, so.

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Tatiana Vilarea: that’s not a valid you know myth or belief, and also, I would say that if you’re an entrepreneur, and you have tried, all the strategy you’ve learned all the tricks and tools.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And you are not receiving the return on investment and you don’t quite know what is that wall that you’re hitting.

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Tatiana Vilarea: And I would suggest that perhaps it’s not the tricks and tools and that secret ingredient that we all look for externally.

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Tatiana Vilarea: But maybe pausing for a moment and asking what is internally stopping me from implementing consistently you know confidently the strategies that i’ve learned because strategy is actually easy.

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Tatiana Vilarea: What makes it difficult, is implementation of that strategy to create that impact to create that abundance to create that that the transformation and lifestyle that we want to have an hour lights and remove the sabotage to implement the strategy.

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Steve Werner: So I think that’s really interesting I think a lot of people.

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Steve Werner: make up really good stories around why they can’t do something right they make up stories around procrastination they make up stories around oh I just didn’t get everything done.

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Steve Werner: Then, make up stories around oh like I started doing that that’s not really going to work, so I don’t want to keep doing it it’s really interesting to me.

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Steve Werner: And that is something we might explore some other time Tatiana, I just wanted to say thank you so much for coming on and sharing your story and your wealth of information with us.

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Tatiana Vilarea: Thank you so much for having me thank you.

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Steve Werner: Of course, to everybody else out there until next time take action change lives and make money we’ll see you soon.