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Steve Werner: Welcome back to grow your impact income and influence I have got an amazing show for you today, we are going to be getting to.

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Steve Werner: The stories that you tell yourself, and if you know anything about me, you know that I am a huge believer in this, but we’re actually going to start.

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Steve Werner: with being a water doctor we’re going to start with somebody who was an environmental doctor and i’m probably butchering that somehow but we’ll get to it.

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Steve Werner: was a consultant hated what he was doing maybe not hated either just didn’t like it, that much and moved into the science of meditation and changing your life through both healthier habits meditation and the stories that you tell yourself i’m Dr varun Gandhi, how are you today.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: i’m doing fantastic fee love and abundance Thank you so much for having me and great to be here.

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Steve Werner: awesome so take me through that intro because I was kind of all over the place, but you started off as a consultant several years ago.

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Steve Werner: Around water that’s how we got the name the water doctor, but then you move from that into the science of meditation kind of finding yourself and happiness.

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Steve Werner: And now you are launching a program called the what’s your story course which really has to do with personal development, the stories that we tell ourselves and then part of that is, you have a film that you build inside of it i’m super interesting all of this stuff.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Alright, so we’ll get started from the very, very beginning, before we actually even get started we’re going to do what you’re doing right now.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Is i’m going to have everyone that’s listening to this podcast right now take a SIP of water, because in all the conversations that i’ve had people are not drinking enough water so cheers let’s take a SIP of water.

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awesome.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: reason I do this is to serve a reminder that we’re not drinking enough water that our bodies need more water.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: dehydration you know the last side of the hydration is when our lips are dry and that’s when we use the detect oh i’m thirsty but that’s the last line of the hydration when we’re you know there’s so many levels in between that that we could still catch ourselves being thirsty.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And I read this book called the body’s many cries for water and essentially what that books that is there’s several many diseases that are currently.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: in place that if you just drink enough water those diseases will go away, so the cure for those diseases is water literally water, because he said look our body is 75% water.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: All the medicines, all those things that you take are treating the 25% of your solid body but drinking water is treating that 75% office that’s why I kind of do this at the beginning of everything I start.

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Steve Werner: I like it well, you actually start, I mean you started off as a legitimate water doctor like you have your PhD in environmental studies and water.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Yes, I do, I have a PhD in environmental engineering and specifically focused on treating water that came to our House and this is like a particular kind of treatment, I was focused on you know, like PhD is like.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Like a pinpoint like it really focus on one narrow thing, and so I was focused on one specific thing, but it was all to do with the water that we drink.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I come to the House and now my senses look i’m not really involved in the engineering aspect of it but i’ve been greatly interested in understanding how water affects our body.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And this book changed my understanding of how water, how much the importance of water on our body.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: and important funny that this was the only book that was gifted by my bad to me and that’s the book I get that it to me like 10 years ago and it was sitting on some shelf just.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: gathering dust, finally, a couple of years ago I picked it up, I was like oh my gosh this is so necessary I need to spread this more I need to talk about it and that’s why i’m doing it right now.

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Steve Werner: I mean that’s awesome so that’s kind of like a side note, I want to jump into how did you go because so many people, especially during coven.

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Steve Werner: The last couple years have they realized that they were unhappy like deeply unhappy in their jobs and they went out and they started trying to do something different they’re trying to figure that out, and that was your path.

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Steve Werner: What was the thing that happened that kind of triggered you to Okay, I need to stop being a consultant, and just stop dealing with that I need to start doing something different, and what was kind of your path.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: that’s a great point a great question, so what happened to me was while I was working at this consulting job, about a year into it, I started having these pains in my stomach area my solar plexus region, and what that.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: When I was I wake up in the morning, I have these pains like literally the moment I woke up literally moment I will open my eyes and it would be there.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And i’d have trouble getting out of bed, and the question that constantly came to mind was why are you going to this job that you don’t really care about.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And so that would that question in mind, I would talk to my friends, I asked for advice and.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I would justify it in whatever way that they could come up with so i’d say oh i’m helping the public health infrastructure i’m doing this doing that, but at the end of the day.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: My contribution was probably making a point 2% difference in the Grand scheme of things, maybe not even that right, and I wanted to make greater impact, so this pain happened in my solar plexus my stomach region and.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Over time, but three six months into it, I realized like this job was the reason for this pain was a source of this pain and.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: The minute I gave my five week notice usually give it like a two week notice i’m like i’m so happy to leave this job I gave a five week notice and the minute I drop that in.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I felt so relieved that pain never came back because I was finally walking in the direction that I was meant to walk in.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: The cool thing here is.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I had signs earlier as well that I didn’t care for consulting job before even going into my Grad school in between my bachelor’s and my Grad school I did a three month internship.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And during the internship was literally the same thing i’m sitting in the cubicle working on excel sheets and gathering data compiling all this stuff and engineering failed exactly what I was doing.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I didn’t enjoy it, I felt like I was killing my life suffocating in that cubicle even it was just a short three months, I still felt it.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: But then I went to Grad school.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I was like I don’t want to do that anymore I don’t I know I don’t want to consult so i’m going to stay in school longer so I started with the masters, I said, you know what i’m just going to do a PhD.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And graduate five years later, and then figure it out just kick the can down the road and that’s essentially my whole process of how I kind of got into leaving my job is once I left it, it was no turning behind.

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Steve Werner: Right, so I mean it’s interesting I don’t know if you caught this, but the story.

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Steve Werner: That you were telling yourself was I am making a difference, what i’m doing is helping the human race and like that’s what you were telling yourself, even though you knew that it wasn’t.

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Steve Werner: It was true, but it wasn’t like really true right point 02 percent impact, maybe.

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Steve Werner: But you were telling yourself like i’m making difference, I know so many employees, I dated a girl for a while that would wake up every day.

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Steve Werner: crying about going to work, but the story that she told herself was I I need to do this.

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Steve Werner: Like she had several stories in place and that ultimately led to her doing that will come back stories in a little bit, so what happened when you left.

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Steve Werner: That helped you transition from being a consultant to owning your own business and kind of doing what you’re doing now like what was one of the key cornerstone pieces that allowed you to do that.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Oh, when I left my job at that point, the first thing I didn’t know what I wanted to do I didn’t have a plan like Oh, I was going to leave for X y&z I had nothing in place.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I knew I didn’t want to do this anymore, I wanted to move past this that job so at that point, I said, you know what one of my friends, he was in.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: The movie industry in India and he was starting to like dive deeper writing scripts and I said, you know what i’m interested in.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: storytelling so i’m going to kind of start doing something along the lines with you, and so the last about a year or so I was reading on a couple of screenwriting books.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And already gotten into it sort of So when I left a job I said, you know what i’m going to travel the world travel the country drive around the US and writes a couple screenplays.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And so I pay a one of the books that I picked up was called story by Bob mckay and that was kind of my introduction into storytelling and how we’re essentially what he says in there is story life is real life, meaning what happens in the story has to look like reality.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And so, all of those story elements that he broke down.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I applied that to real life elements and how we can take those concepts and change our life and so through this whole process.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Also, another key thing that happened was this relationship that I got out of so right before I started my job in Idaho.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: That two year consulting gig i’d broken I gotten out of this relationship that I thought was the one after two years, completely broke apart, and so I was running away from Atlanta, which is where I was doing my PhD.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: moved across the country completely new place never been there before didn’t know I didn’t know existed before I got that job interview, but I said, you know what i’m going to move out there.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: So I can move away from all of this stuff in Atlanta, and that the whole time in Idaho was my period period of darkness that’s when I was going through my.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: darkest stuff and essentially during that time I picked up meditation I read this book by deepak chopra called the Book of secrets, and although about 95% of that book went over my head at that time.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I picked up meditation that word stuck with me, and so I googled it figured out what my figured out for myself or meditation is how to do it and I started a practice that was in 2014 2015.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And it’s now seven years later i’ve continued my meditation practice, and in fact it’s evolved in so many different directions and we can also go into that if you’d like.

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Steve Werner: that’s awesome I mean that’s a that is a huge huge change um I would love to hear Okay, so you went from.

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Steve Werner: graduating college to internship realize you didn’t like that went back to school went to school.

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Steve Werner: got out realize you didn’t love the consulting that you now have we’re into.

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Steve Werner: Left that found meditation meditation was the tool that helped you start to rearrange your life and find your life’s purpose, which is now using story, not to build a screenplay.

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Steve Werner: But to actually help people reframe their life and use it as a personal development tool is that a pretty good synopsis of of everything so far.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And you did great yeah.

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Steve Werner: I might have done this a few times you know.

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Steve Werner: If anyone’s listening to this show this is that I love this stuff so okay first off we already talked a little bit about story let’s deal with meditation First, I have a really hard time meditating.

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Steve Werner: I don’t meditate like I can’t do that, like sit i’ve tried headspace i’ve tried calm, I tried all those I go for a walk every morning I go for a 45 minute walk, which to me, is very meditative.

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Steve Werner: I also run a lot running is very meditative to me, but I would love to hear how you found meditation and what happened for you, through that like.

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Steve Werner: Were you just meditating and vision started coming to you like, how does this work walk us through.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Oh boy that’s a great question, so my initial journey of meditation is a struggle right so.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: This is i’ve been running the rat race for 29 years of my life at this point i’ve never had an opportunity to sit with myself and have that space where i’m not distracted by anything right so meditation gave me that space where.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: i’m not going to be distracted but now getting into it initially.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I said, you know, this is not working, for me, I would try to sit there for five minutes 10 Minutes it just wasn’t working for me, so what I did is I said, you know what okay.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: This month, I remember it was a December like right after thanksgiving i’m gonna journal my journey right about.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: My five minute meditation so I said a five minute timer i’m only going to do it for five minutes try to reach that first first three months Okay, I could only do three minutes and I would get distracted I would thoughts would come in, and I would just run with it.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And at that point, I then i’d say okay i’m done for the day i’m going to move on to my next thing for the day, but I would come back to the next day, not calling it a failure.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: What I said is okay look I did it for two minutes I did it for three minutes, let me do it again tomorrow, let me do it again tomorrow, so I would come back to it every day.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And maybe after six months, I was able to do about five to 10 minutes, I had to sit there every day and Initially it was.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Observing my thoughts, so the way I started was actually looking at a point on the wall that time I rented a space in my friend’s place my friend’s apartment.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And everything that I owned was in that room what I did is I said i’m going to sit in a corner and remove all of that stuff from my sight face the corner.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: and set a five minute timer on my phone and put my phone far away the five minute timer is extremely important there because initially I realized look I said five minutes.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: i’m constantly my mind is constantly asking like.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Is it been five minutes yet hasn’t been you know and it’s only been two minutes right, so in that sense, I said, you know what set a five minute timer that way I don’t have any question, I can completely focus on this meditation and.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: phone will let me know five minutes later that it’s time so that was one key that I learned early on to do it for myself, because my mind was way too all over the place way too distracted and yeah first six months was real struggle of literally just doing it for five to 10 minutes.

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Steve Werner: that’s I mean.

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Steve Werner: I can’t do it for more than a couple minutes because my mind, is always like trying to figure out.

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Steve Werner: stuff and like things coming in, so I definitely understand that I love the fact that you called out that like just because you couldn’t do it for three minutes or five minutes it didn’t mean it was a failure, meant that you were practicing and you were learning.

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Steve Werner: So what, what do you think was the switch that like allowed you to finally get it.

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Steve Werner: Was there was it just repetitive practice was it something that you did specifically was there, an APP did you put music on I like the idea of the timer that’s definitely good, but if your phone is across the room and you can’t see it.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Initially I didn’t have music, I was the basic version of it was look i’m going to focus on something either that can be a candle that could be an object that I imagine.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: That could be a point on the wall that could be me closing my eyes and focusing on my third eye all sorts of things right music was far away from me at this point.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Then I Okay, then I experimented with.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Instead of doing the objects i’m going to do breathing so just focus on my breath and natural breath.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And essentially what I realized is.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I have to stop fighting.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: What I was doing in my meditation practice was I was resisting my thoughts.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Instead of observing them, so I was trying to push them away.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Instead of saying look let’s let it run i’m just going to pay attention to it i’m just going to observe it i’m not going to get entangled in those thoughts if i’m thinking about anger i’m not going to get angry i’ll just watch it from a distance and let it be.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: When I made that switch when I understood that meditation really is that.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: that’s when I started making significant strides in my meditation practice.

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Steve Werner: that’s awesome okay so that’s the key takeaway for meditation so what happened then in through meditation that helped you.

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Steve Werner: build the story course and realize that the stories that we tell ourselves are really the most important thing that we can change because if you can change the story you tell yourself.

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Steve Werner: You can change what you believe about the world, and then you can do basically anything you want, so I would love to hear how we’ve got from meditation to to the stories that we tell ourselves.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: yeah so meditation what that did one of the main benefits is that it gave me space and time to myself.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Like This was true alone time right at that point, I mean this was 30 years of my life, I never had alone time imagine that, even though it’s by myself, I was still distracted by something or the other.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: So now meditation finally gave me that chance to have alone time so now in this space I started meditation 2015 all of these what’s your story ideas came with came to me during the pandemic, five, six years later.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: So joy that ears during those six years I was honing in on meditations practicing and practicing and every day reading books Wayne Dyer Dr Wayne dyer’s had an A.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Tremendous.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: impact on my life.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: You know he’s had the book change your story, change your life that’s one of the things that kind of got to me.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: and helped me see a plant those ideas about storytelling.

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Steve Werner: Nice Dr Dr Wayne Dyer is a great person to read.

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Steve Werner: And he’s he’s fun to listen to, I listened to a lot of his audios on that’s a really good really good point so let’s talk about the storytelling a little bit and then we’ll wrap this up, but the.

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Steve Werner: The story, I agree, like story is such an important thing, so you have a course called what’s your story.

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Steve Werner: And in that you help people build a film right talk to us about a little bit about what the course is because I think other people would probably.

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Steve Werner: You know they’ve heard like change your story, change your life but I don’t know how to change my story, how do you walk people through that just give us the high level.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Though during my meditation I had this vision.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And this is kind of a perfect analogy, for what the film is in our lives we’re in a movie theater we’re watching a movie on screen right the screen is a tool.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: that’s showing us the movie there’s a projector in the back projecting the film onto the screen it’s a projector screen our tools there’s a film inside of it that actually contains the essence of the movie.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: That film is what we are trying to create through the my life film.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Now the analogy is this in our lives, this whole process is constantly happening, we have a projector right here, which is the imagination, our third eye.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: That is projecting what our film gives it gives it so our film is the memories experiences all the things in the past that have had an impact on us and that have left an impression on us that’s in the film.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: That film is directly feeding a projector and now we’re projecting all of these thoughts, all of these stories on to the people, the places the things in our life, and that is the screen.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Right, I know you’re speaking my language so.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: I don’t I don’t think I have to go deeper into this, but essentially that’s kind of how the whole storytelling idea came in and the my life film was created like.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: hey let’s create that film because people at this point, maybe they have not had the experience of.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: i’m going to do some introspection and understand how my past experiences have shaped me and made me who I am today whether that’s positive whether that’s negative.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: And that’s what the my life film does let’s write down all of our past experiences analyze them how they have affected us what beliefs, have been created because of this experience what our self talk is.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: How are we talking about ourselves when we are in this life experience and then, once we understand that now we can transform our relationship to that past experience so once we move past our trauma, we can now say okay i’m changing my story.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: My relationship to that past experience of trauma, is no longer going to be that trauma i’m going to transform that into something that’s empowering me, so I can move forward from it.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: that’s the switch that the change your story part that helps in my life home because you’re essentially going through a Google sheet.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: writing out all these experiences so you’re having this data collecting all of this data that’s part of your film right in front of you that you have access to at any point in time.

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Steve Werner: So let me ask you, because I think what comes to mind, for me, and I can share my experience, but I want to hear about yours first and what you would recommend.

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Steve Werner: Because I think a lot of people would say I have negative experiences like when I think about my past like the reason that our past predicts our future is because.

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Steve Werner: We relive the negative experiences now there are ways to fix that but I would love to hear about your specific ones, because if you’re building your stories, you should be building a positive story that has a positive outcome to it.

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Steve Werner: But if people have negative things in their past and that’s all they can focus on how do you switch that, how do you flip the switch on it.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: So that this is a 30 day course and over the course of the course over the period of the course.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: they’re going to essentially start switching that in their mind all right, because we’re going to give them the tools that they need, so one way is to identify the self talk what level of self talk, are you at.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: The first two levels are negative than most starting to move into the positive levels of self talk so identifying where you’re at in different experiences and when we.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: consciously identify this for ourself and write it down that makes a big difference now we’re starting to see the patterns now we’re starting to see.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: The signs that are already there in front of us, and that gives us proof that gives us the means that we need to make this change into the positive direction.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: The other thing, and also, I also kind of tell people that look.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: We have negative experiences we also have positive experiences so in your life film, I want you to write down the positive experiences as well, your past experiences your present experiences and your future experiences both negative and positive this way.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: When they write down the positive experiences, they have proof that hey not everything is negative in my past they have proof that hey I have loving family and friends, you know, so this kind of gives them a reminder that look not all is bad.

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Steve Werner: Okay, so you talked about is a 30 day course.

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Steve Werner: How can people get started with the courses that a challenge is there a web page where can people learn more about this, because I think it is one of the best tools.

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Steve Werner: To reframe your past into make it a positive and to tell yourself the story that you want to live, because if you become the starting your own story, and you really love it, you will start to see your life change, so I think that this is really positive where can people get started.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: get started to go on my website that’s Dr varun.com and i’m sure it’ll be in the links below.

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Steve Werner: awesome alright, we will send people there, if you want to learn more about the story course, make sure you click the link is in the show notes, Dr varun I want to say thank you so much for coming on and sharing with us as a super fun interview you’ve been a great guest.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: Thank you so much Steve one last reminder drink more water.

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Steve Werner: On that note let’s drink some water.

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Dr. Varun Gandhi: here’s.

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Steve Werner: awesome and until next time take action change lives and make money we’ll see you soon.