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Steve Werner: Welcome back to grow your impact income and influence the number one show helping you reach millions of people, millions of dollars, and today we are going to be talking.

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Steve Werner: About P are, this is all about the impact piece you a little bit of the income, I am joined by somebody who absolutely hated working in the corporate world, although.

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Steve Werner: She worked there for eight years, she knew from day one that it wasn’t for her so eventually she pulled the plug she became a copywriter who helps people with PR specifically creatives.

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Steve Werner: coaches authors bloggers people like that she helps you get noticed through PR she helps you with the copywriting Andrea how are you doing today.

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Andrea!: i’m doing well, how are you.

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Steve Werner: i’m good and I got your name wrong after all of that.

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Steve Werner: beforehand sorry Andrea.

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Steve Werner: There we go better alright so tell me a little bit about corporate America, what did you love about it.

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Andrea!: um I loved the work that I did that’s why I stayed there for eight eight years i’m gonna i’m not that slow to know that.

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Andrea!: I didn’t like it right away, and they stayed anyway, I enjoyed the work, but I didn’t like, though.

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Andrea!: And I think there are a lot of people who can relate to this, I didn’t like being told that I had to be somewhere at a specific time.

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Andrea!: Even if it was like 10 in the morning, just because you said I had to be there at 10 I was going to be late, I just was I didn’t.

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Andrea!: Like cubicles I didn’t like endless meetings I had no point I didn’t like office politics, I just was not a good.

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Andrea!: Not a good corporate person, but work, however, was great I enjoyed the work a lot.

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Andrea!: Until you know our whole department, I worked in a global company our whole department was laid off because they decided that they wanted to decentralize our services, so we were shared service Center and when my boss told me.

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Andrea!: I actually was relieved because they made the decision for me to leave, and I was fine.

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Andrea!: And literally a month later, I got a call to do some freelance work and I was up and running as helping companies so.

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Steve Werner: let’s I mean the I got fired from one job one time, and I will tell you like same thing, like, I went home and I just was like.

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Steve Werner: This is gonna be great i’m going to figure out my own thing and, like my friends my mom was like Oh, my goodness, what are you going to do, and I was like.

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Steve Werner: i’m gonna figure it out and i’m gonna go do what I wanted to do, which is way more fun.

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Steve Werner: than that that pile of crap that I did so okay you’re on your own you start your own business, you start doing some freelancing take us through like what did that look like, for you like, what did you start with and how is that progressed over time.

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Andrea!: So I think you’re gonna pick up a pattern, because the freelancing that I did was for another large company was for a fortune 500 company and.

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Andrea!: They wanted me to be on a contract, so I started out on a contract with them because, why not, I had nothing else going on.

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Andrea!: And I think like three months in I went back and renegotiated and said, you know I don’t really want to be on contract, I can either leave.

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Andrea!: Or you can really make this a freelance role and I sent my hours I work from home all of that.

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Andrea!: And they liked what I was doing so they allowed me to do that, which was great because I stayed I stayed with them for six years as a freelancer doing writing for them.

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Andrea!: But in in the interim, or, at the same time, I was also then starting to really get into where I work now, which was the arts and you know building.

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Andrea!: A profile and starting to work with people in creative roles so by the time I was.

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Andrea!: You know, done working that freelance role I just kind of really stepped right into what I do now so so, for you know i’ve been really fortunate in my career that things just always seemed to work out for me.

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Andrea!: But I will tell you that, while you’re in it, and I think people can really relate to this while you’re in it, you don’t see that happening and i’ll say just like you said you got to just kind of go out on faith sometimes and know that it’s all going to work out.

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Steve Werner: let’s I mean the.

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Steve Werner: you point out, you make a very good point like things have always worked out for me as well, but when i’m in it sometimes it doesn’t feel like it’s going to work out right like, no matter how successful we are no matter what the bottom line is.

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Steve Werner: That six figure months that still like I wake up and things are really stressful or I still have a bad day and like people that have listened to this podcast i’ve mentioned one of the.

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Steve Werner: Best stories I ever took away when I got started, and I think I read the book in 2014 was in Tony robbins money master the game, he interviewed the CEO of JPMorgan chase.

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Steve Werner: And he said when did the money stress go away for you, and she said, oh it never goes away, this is a woman CEO of JPMorgan making about $5 million a year, and she said, never goes away when you have that when you’re earning that kind of money you have more responsibility.

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Steve Werner: But you have to make sure that you’re investing in correctly, you have to make sure.

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Steve Werner: That you’re not getting taken advantage of you have to like with much like with more power comes more responsibility, I thought that was really interesting and i’ve found that true as well, but you The thing is, as you grow you gain the skills to handle that right.

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Steve Werner: I mean you might still have a day i’ll ask you this, I mean you might still have a day, where it feels like there’s a lot of stress or a lot of weight, or you have a lot to do.

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Steve Werner: But you know how to handle it now, and you also know, like there’s a certain confidence, I guess, I would say that comes with being there right and you’re like I know that this will pass and the next day will be great.

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Andrea!: Right right, the more you grow, the more risk, you have right risk of losing it all risk of not.

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Andrea!: You know, being fulfilled fulfilling your obligations to your clients risk of being fired by your client there’s all of these risks that happen, the more you grow.

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Andrea!: But to your point, you know how to manage those risks better also the more you’re in the business yourself and the more you you do kind of.

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Andrea!: accept that things aren’t going to happen, the way they’re supposed to happen, so you know in during the pandemic.

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Andrea!: I I had more fear than i’ve ever had in my entire life because you know it wasn’t just my business right, it was everybody’s business and I work again with creatives and they weren’t able to play.

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Andrea!: They weren’t able to put on their performances they weren’t able to have exhibitions at galleries and museums, all of those places were closed so.

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Andrea!: I felt for them as much as I felt for myself and then you start to think well how is this going to turn around.

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Andrea!: But you just have to keep going, and you have to find different ways in order to meet the needs right so, whether that be, you know short term.

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Andrea!: Products that you sell to your audience because that’s what they can afford right now and that’s what they need right now versus your long term.

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Andrea!: You know, six months engagements you know what I mean like it just doesn’t make sense at that time, so you figure it out.

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Andrea!: And then maybe that short term project product is going to last, who knows it might have been something brilliant that just came out of chaos or fear or I should say fear chaos or or you know.

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Andrea!: As a risk taking a risk, so I think you’re right you do, do you figure out how to deal with things the longer you’re in business.

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Steve Werner: So if you’re listening to this i’m gonna ask you this question.

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Steve Werner: But if you’re listening to this and you’re in corporate America and you want to leave your job or you have a side hustle and you’re trying to figure that out like which do you think is quote riskier staying in a corporate job.

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Steve Werner: or being your own boss and running your own like running your own business, whether it’s freelancing or coaching or being an artist which do you think is riskier.

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Andrea!: that’s a very interesting question and I, I honestly think that they both are risky, I think that the risk, though in staying in a corporate job that you don’t like is exacerbated right like it’s more it just because you feel every single day.

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Andrea!: That you’re doing something that you don’t love to do so when you’re your own boss, and you have your own business, and you have those risks, but you can always remember, but this is what I love to do.

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Andrea!: This is a short term thing it’s going to pass when you’re in your corporate job you don’t know how long the thing that’s you know, making you feel like you want to poke your eyes out is gonna last.

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Steve Werner: that’s.

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Steve Werner: That I mean very true The other thing that I see when you got downsized you were happy you’re like cool they made the decision for me i’m gonna go over here how many people.

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Steve Werner: That was like a breaking point for them, they went home because let’s be real, like most people don’t have savings.

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Steve Werner: They went home and they’re like I don’t have a paycheck coming or maybe they got a two month salary or you know something but they’re still like.

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Steve Werner: i’ve got two months of bank and then like I don’t have anywhere to live I don’t have any food on the table, I don’t know what i’m going to do and that’s a much like relying on somebody else, no matter how good of an employee, you are.

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Steve Werner: you’re still an employee, you have those golden handcuffs now that’s, not to say there aren’t rested entrepreneurship you don’t have insurance, most of the time, where you have a grossly inadequate insurance plan, I know plenty of entrepreneurs who fall in that realm.

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Steve Werner: If the market changes like it did during coven you might have a really hard time but, at the end of the day, you’re responsible for it that’s the difference like and if you are responsible, it will always end up I believe in your favor but that’s.

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Steve Werner: That doesn’t mean entrepreneurship for everyone.

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Andrea!: Right right like there were a lot of people in our department that were upset about losing.

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Andrea!: their jobs, and I think that it’s it was more of a shock and they were actually happy in those jobs, whereas I was not and I just couldn’t figure out how to get out of it until it was presented to me, so I do think that that was a difference as well.

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Steve Werner: I want to i’m going to put you on the spot this one’s kind of fun, but it just came to me let’s do a top five list.

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Steve Werner: of people who love their jobs, like what would be the things that they love about a corporate job, what do you think the top five are we’re totally just guessing right because we’re both entrepreneurs.

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Steve Werner: We would be.

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Andrea!: Number one right steady paycheck right that’s what you just said yeah.

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Andrea!: yeah of course that’s the number one thing that people enjoy about it, I think, also if it’s the you know, depending on the job, it could be the access to people or places or other.

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Andrea!: You know, businesses that they wouldn’t have before which was, I think the case in ours, it could be that they have other people around them, so that kind of helps them to feel I don’t know.

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Steve Werner: I could, I definitely see that.

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Steve Werner: Like during coven.

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Steve Werner: That was the one thing that I heard from people with jobs they were all like I missed the water cooler.

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Andrea!: conversation I.

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Steve Werner: missed going to lunch, I mean I i’ve been quote virtual for seven years.

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Steve Werner: Like I mean we would meet in person, we would hold events like we would do that stuff, but I would go home, my friends, I have friends all over the world, and like we would meet on well, we were meeting on Skype before zoom was the thing right.

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Steve Werner: Like we call each other.

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Steve Werner: I mean, I would spend hours a day, either on video or on audio calls with friends everywhere, or with clients all over so it was really interesting to me when people like coven yes, I had to pivot somebody it was different right.

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Steve Werner: So okay water cooler talk that’s three what would for me.

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Andrea!: I think, having somebody directing your activities at people like that some you know it’s it’s hard to try and figure out what are you going to do every day.

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Andrea!: figure out your time management your prayer all of that stuff, so I think people enjoy that kind of security and the fifth is.

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Andrea!: It it feeds your your ego right when you get promotions, and you get raises and you get good reviews and all of those things, because you don’t get that stuff when you work for yourself.

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Steve Werner: I mean.

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Steve Werner: I it’s a different it’s a different way that you get it, but when you get recognition as an entrepreneur, it is just.

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Steve Werner: As serving and just feels just as good as an employee, but you don’t The difference is when you’re an employee, you have the whole company looking at you and you’re like looking at me.

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Steve Werner: When you’re an entrepreneur, and you get like a forbes top 1000 or you know to see cx award or something like that you’re like you still have people looking at you, but it’s different that’s a good that’s good list I like it.

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Steve Werner: We kind of went down a rabbit hole let’s circle back to the PR piece.

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Steve Werner: So you what you do specifically as you help.

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Steve Werner: push out.

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Steve Werner: Words tell me if i’m wrong here.

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Steve Werner: Which i’ll copy.

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Steve Werner: into the marketplace around creatives work to help them get noticed.

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Steve Werner: Yes, that kind of correct.

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Andrea!: yeah yeah right, I hope, figure out what the strategy is so so actually, that was a nice segue because if you’re an employee like you said you get the whole company his eyes on you and all those things.

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Andrea!: When you’re a small business owner and entrepreneur you, you have to you have to make the effort to let other people know that you’ve got the recognition and reward the award right and that’s where PR comes in, so that was a very good segue.

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Steve Werner: awesome it’s nice how that lined up um so talk to me a little bit more about that, like.

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Steve Werner: Honestly i’ve heard of people who are copywriters I mean every every entrepreneur, especially in today’s day and age, needs to have a copywriter if they don’t they’re trying to write all the copy, which we know how that goes.

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Steve Werner: talk to me about the PR piece, though, because when I think of PR.

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Steve Werner: What I usually think of i’ve been approached by I don’t know how many people.

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Steve Werner: You know we’re going to write we’re going to write a 2000 word article for you and we’re going to submit it to all the wire services and you get to have fox ABC forbes NBC on your header so i’ve done that, a few times and.

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Steve Werner: i’ve also done the the hero, you know help her help out a reporter piece, so that I can get on a TV station or an interview somewhere.

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Steve Werner: But what you’re talking about is completely different so tell us a little bit about how what you do works like what is the strategy around what you do and give us a few examples of best practices.

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Andrea!: yeah so this so PR is a big pocket, just like everything else right and if you’ve ever heard of the peso model paid earned owned and.

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Andrea!: what’s the S oh my gosh I just forgot what the SS.

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Steve Werner: Oh no, it must be that.

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Steve Werner: we’ll come back to it.

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Andrea!: Whatever it is I can’t remember but anyway um PR is the only bucket so.

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Andrea!: that’s that’s where you could that’s the third party credibility that’s where you’re working with the media.

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Andrea!: that’s where you’re actually not spending any money to get coverage, because once you start spending money, money you’re actually in the paid in the paid bucket in the form of advertising.

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Andrea!: This is PR PR public relations is where influencer marketing happens it’s where event marketing up and it’s where collaboration happens so that’s the whole bucket one key piece of it is publicity.

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Andrea!: And that’s when you get featured in forbes and ink and all the other publications that you want to be featured it that’s publicity that’s.

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Andrea!: Where I helped a lot with strategy right now with creatives because everybody’s looking to get you know their next release covered or to get their next show covered or.

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Andrea!: Whatever it is to build an audience through the publication of choice, so I always go through five things that that anybody can do on their own if they wanted to.

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Andrea!: To enhance their PR or their publicity efforts and then the first one is to create a wish list because it’s not enough to say.

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Andrea!: I want to be covered, you really have to understand who you want to cover you and why, and the importance of that is.

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Andrea!: that the media doesn’t really care about you or your product or service, and I know that that’s shocking when I say that, but it’s absolutely true, they don’t.

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Andrea!: they care about the alignment between you, your products your services and their audience So if you can tell them a really good story.

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Andrea!: that’s going to have an impact on their audience well now they’re going to pay attention to you so that’s why it’s really important in that first step to create a wish list.

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Andrea!: Your wish list might be 25 publications, but really only focus on the first five because to do this well it’s going to take a lot of research it’s going to take a lot of time.

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Andrea!: So that’s, the first thing create a wish list and make it traditional, as well as non traditional like podcasts and and blogs and summits and things like that, as well as newspaper print radio, TV.

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Steve Werner: Okay got it okay so that’s a good first step, a wishlist and make sure that what you offer aligns with what their audience once.

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Andrea!: Exactly.

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Steve Werner: I think I mean that piece alone.

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Steve Werner: If you think about that if you’re listening to this.

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Steve Werner: Think about that anyone that you ever approached with anything that’s what it should be the reason that it’s so hard to get sales for most people.

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Steve Werner: Is All they do is talk about how great they are and what they offer instead of the outcome that it gets for the person and that’s all you’re saying with this Okay, so what step number two.

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Andrea!: So the second step, then, is to build relationships like these people these journalists and producers and editors are people first right they don’t like you to come to them and say.

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Andrea!: run a story about me because of X they’re not kinko’s they’re not you know mcdonald’s or not a production house.

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Andrea!: they’re looking for real connection and so it’s really important to build relationships with them.

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Andrea!: understand who they are, as a person, you know and there’s many ways that you can research them, you can look them up on the website of the publication, you could look them up just a general search.

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Andrea!: You can look them up on social you can find out who they are, as people and understand what a common.

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Andrea!: entry point might be for the two of you right so let’s say you figured out that the person, you want to approach enjoys mountain climbing.

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Andrea!: know and you like mountain climbing talk about that that’s how you can break the ice so understand that they are real person and figure out how can you break the ice with them that’s the second step.

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Steve Werner: So if you’re listening to that and you’re like but i’ve just got like I just I need to talk about myself think about the last cocktail party rat probably before coven.

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Steve Werner: And you probably had a realtor that came up to you, and was like are you looking to buy a house, are you looking to sell a house, do you want to rent an apartment and you were like shut.

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Steve Werner: up like I just want to hang out with my coffee and like talk that’s the same thing that people do.

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Andrea!: present it in a way that’s going to work for that publication, because that publication is going to be different than the next publication you’ve got to be able to share your message in a way that’s going to work for both right like we can’t be one trick ponies when we’re doing this.

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Andrea!: So how can you be relevant, how can you be relatable think outside of the box sometimes you might have to connect the dots for them and I always like to use this as a good example of that let’s say you’re an author and you wrote a book.

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Steve Werner: What does everybody need to put in their press kit what is like a catch all for a press kit This is something that a PR manager taught me probably five years ago.

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Andrea!: Then you have to decide, is this worth me spending for or is something else right so, but you could you could ask for it, you could pay for it, you could screenshot it if it if you can get a good screenshot.

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Steve Werner: So what else, so we went through clips we went through long form bio short form bio services page, what are the mistakes that you see people make with their media kit.

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Andrea!: I also want to say that you also want to make sure that you have really good contact information, it could be yourself, but if you’re if you’re in a business right, you have multiple people who are supposed to people make sure that their contact information is there too.

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Andrea!: yeah it’s sort of like so press releases right so sometimes if you have an evergreen topic and you’ve issued press releases like you were talking about before.

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Andrea!: You can put those in your on your media kit on your media page and your media kit so and, and so I bring that up as an example, because a press release.

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Andrea!: Then, your press release could probably be a little bit more substantial you could put it on your website, and you know it’ll attract some seo juice, for you and things like that, but more often than not it’s really just the quick hit it’s hey this is what’s going on.

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Steve Werner: awesome so we have covered a whole wide range of things, but you have a mini course.

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Steve Werner: That shows you how to develop a unique value prop that will get people to notice you npr do you want to tell us a little bit about that.

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Andrea!: yeah I do, I have a mini course it’s free and it’s make your brand pop through your unique value prop and that really is.

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Andrea!: um you know it underpins everything that we do, whether it be from copywriting or PR it’s, we have to understand the value that we are providing.

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Andrea!: And how to articulate that value and so that’s what this mini course helps with it’s it’s pretty short um but it helps to understand why are you different how, how can you demonstrate that differentiation and then.

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Andrea!: You know, helping to write the value prop itself is is the last step in the course.

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Steve Werner: awesome where can people go to find that.

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Steve Werner: If you guys are wondering, it is in the show links, if you click in the description, it is right there for you, but you can tell us where to go as well.

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Andrea!: hub and company.com slash pop.

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Steve Werner: Oh awesome that is easy I love it so that is in the show notes the last question I have for you.

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Steve Werner: Is Why should people use PR with all the stuff that’s out there right they can do PR they could do some Facebook ads they can do summits, they could start a podcast Why should people be paying attention to PR.

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Andrea!: Because it is one of the best returns on your investment, I mean, yes, it takes it’ll take more time than running ads.

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Andrea!: will take more time than you know spending an hour on a podcast sure, however it’s it’s the credibility that you get from the third party.

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Andrea!: endorsements it’s going to help set you up when your audience sees those as an expert and it will exponentially increase your marketability within your industry.

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Steve Werner: awesome I love it.

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Steve Werner: Andrea I want to say thank you so much for coming on and sharing this is super fun conversation.

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Steve Werner: awesome um if people want to reach out to you find your services, besides your your free course where can people go to get in contact with you.

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Andrea!: have been company.com.

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Steve Werner: Okay perfect so you guys heard it there if this sparked your interest and you would like to do some PR you’d like to get on TV you like to get on radio you’d like to get your media kit put together reach out hub and company calm.

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Andrea!: Okay, I left a long pause there in case you wanted to cut this out, I also offer.

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Andrea!: If somebody’s not ready for a full PR campaign, I offer a one hour PR power hour, which I can help them to figure out, you know where to go what what publications, to look at whatever they need help with for an hour, so I don’t know that.

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Steve Werner: yeah sure, though the PR power hour I love it PR power hour that should be your podcast.

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Steve Werner: that’d be a.

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Andrea!: great idea.

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Steve Werner: Well, thank you so much for coming on and to everybody else out there until next time take action change lives and make money we’ll see you soon.